Jurassic Park or Jehovah's Park?
In the Ancient Past: Did Humans And Dinosaurs Live During the Same Time Period?


Author: David Buckna
Subject: Dinosaurs
Date: 3/27/1997

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What were colossal, had smallish brains, and threatened to trample everything in their path?

That's right, the giant lineups in "The Lost World: Jurassic Park" the sequel to Steven Spielberg's '93 dino-mite hit "Jurassic Park."

In both films, humans and dinosaurs co-exist---in "real life" (as opposed to "reel life") most scientists believe dinosaurs died out about 65 million years ago---eons of time before humans appeared on earth.

But is this evolutionary scenario really accurate?

I. Booklets:

"Dinosaurs and the Bible" by Ken Ham (booklet/online version)

"Los Dinosaurios y la Biblia" by Ken Ham (booklet)

To order:

Groupo Cientifico Creacionista, Ing. Juan Maurico Pendleton, Sucursal "C", Apdo. 602-C, Zacatecas, Zac. 98068 Mexico

"Dinosaurs and the Lost World" A two-part one hour radio special (May

24/31) available on audio cassette and CD-ROM. Includes a companion 36 page

booklet on dinosaurs by John Morris. CD $11.95; booklet $2.95; CD & booklet

$13.00; cassette $5.00; cassette & booklet $7.00. To order, call ICR at

1-800-628-7640

II. Books:

"Dinosaurs" Dr. Mace Baker,(New Century Books, 2683 Rosebud Lane, Redding, CA 96002) 1991 or 1-800-652-1144 (request book order info)

Evolution: The Fossils Still Say No!, Duane T. Gish, (Master Books, El Cajon, CA) 1995 The most compelling critique available of the supposed paleontological and anthropological evidences for evolution.

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"Genesis and the Dinosaur" by Dr. Erich von Fange

"Helping Children Understand Genesis and the Dinosaur" by Dr. Erich von Fange

[Dr. Erich von Fange is a retired professor from Concordia College in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and has extensive field experience with the Drumheller fossil beds]

To order:

Living Word Services, 72876 CR 29, Syracuse, IN 46567 (219) 457-5632

"Time Upside Down" by Dr. Erich von Fange (entire book on-line)

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"Dinosaur ABC's Activity Book" by Richard B. Bliss (K- Grade 3)

"Dinosaurs by Design" by Duane Gish

"D is for Dinosaur" by Ken and Mally Ham (K- Grade 3)

"Handy Dandy Evolution Refuter" by Robert E. Kofahl

How could dinosaurs (including the largest sauropods) have all fit on the Ark? (p. 4, pp.67-68)

"The Great Dinosaur Mystery" by Paul S. Taylor ...Continued

"What Really Happened to the Dinosaurs?" by John D. Morris and Ken Ham

"The Great Dinosaur Mistake" by Kelly L. Segraves

"The Illustrated ORIGINS Answer Book," Paul S. Taylor, (Eden Communications, P.O. Box 41644, Mesa, AZ 85274-1644), 5th Edition, 1995, 2nd printing

"Completing the Picture" by Margaret Helder. What do you know about dinosaurs in Alberta, the Burgess Shale in British Columbia, or stromatolite beds in northern Ontario? Written in parallel sections at junior high and adult levels.(137 pages) Cost: $12.95 plus $4.00 shipping & handling. Creation Science Association of Alberta (CSAA),194 - 3803 Calgary Trail, Suite 1136, Edmonton, Alberta, T6J 5M8.

"Tour Guide to the Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology" (revised edition, May 1997) by Margaret Helder. This 44 page guide includes discussion of all dinosaur exhibits (12 pages) which feature Jurassic dinosaurs from Utah and environs, Cretaceous dinosaurs mostly from Alberta, as well as dinosaurs from the Gobi Desert in Mongolia. The guide also discusses invertebrates, dioramas of a Devonian reef and plant evolution (Paleozoic landscapes), and interesting artifacts from around the world. Cost: $5.00 plus $4.00 shipping & handling. Creation Science Association of Alberta (CSAA), 194 - 3803 Calgary Trail, Suite 1136, Edmonton, Alberta, T6J 5M8.

"Dinosaurs" Dr. Mace Baker,(New Century Books, 2683 Rosebud Lane, Redding, CA 96002) 1991 or 1-800-652-1144 (request book order info)

"Evolution: The Fossils Still Say No!", Duane T. Gish, (Master Books, El Cajon, CA) 1995 The most compelling critique available of the supposed paleontological and anthropological evidences for evolution.

III. Web articles:

"Another Look at Dinosaurs" by Jay Rogers

"Are dinosaurs alive today? Where Jurassic Park went wrong"

"Are dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible?"

"Dinosaur Breath" by David Harris

Dinosaur questions:

16."Bird-like" dinosaurs such as Struthiomimus were "lizard-hipped", while dinosaurs such as the low-slung, four-legged Ankylosaurus "bird-hipped". How do paleontologists who believe dinosaurs evolved into birds, account for these characteristics?

17. Is it possible to document from the fossil record the series of transitional forms that led up to any dinosaur species?

18. a) Were the feathers of Archaeopteryx identical to modern flying birds?

b) Are there any undisputed true birds in the fossil record that had teeth?

c) Archaeopteryx had claws on its wings. Name three modern birds that have claws on their wings (either in the juvenile stage or as an adult).

"Dinosaur Mania and Our Children" by Paul S. Taylor

"Dinosaurs and the Bible" by Kent Hovind

"Dragons in Paradise" by Henry M. Morris

"Fathers, Faith And Fossils" by Cindy Dyson

"Jurassic Park": A review from Christian Spotlight on the Movies

"The Lost World: Jurassic Park": A review from Christian Spotlight on the Movies

"The Intriguing Dinosaur" by Elaine G. Kennedy
"Commentary on The Lost World" by Ken Ham, Larry Pierce, and Mark Looy

Kids' Quest:

Do we really know what dinosaurs looked liked or how they behaved?

Are dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible?

How many people survived the greatest disaster of all times?

Are dinosaur fossils evidence for the great Flood?

"Leviathan: The Fire-Breathing Dragon" by Kent Hovind

"The Death of the Dinosaur" by Roger Oakland

"The Footprints of Dragons" by Lorella Rouster

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19. Web articles (news)

'Jurassic bark' for sale

What came first - the dinosaur or the bird?

American scientists report on rare fossil

It's a discovery that captured the imagination of scientists worldwide - last summer a farmer in northeast China stumbled upon a rare fossil of what appeared to be a dinosaur with feathers. The spectacular find caused a stir among paleontologists, who have long debated whether birds evolved from dinosaurs.

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"Paleontologists deplume feathery dinosaur" (5/3/97 _Science News_, p.271) which includes the statement: "An international team of researchers that examined the Chinese fossil now concludes that the fibrous structures are not feathers."

Bird-like dinosaur found in Argentina

Chapel Hill Herald (May 25, 1997)

A bone to pick: UNC scientist says dinosaur-bird link won't fly

Findings published Thursday in the journal Nature proclaiming a group of dinosaur bones found in Argentina to be the remnants of a bird cousin are greatly exaggerated, according to a UNC scientist. In fact, he says, they're worse than exaggerated.

"I would categorize the paper as total garbage," said evolutionary biologist Alan Feduccia

"I'm shocked it was published in Nature."

Strong words. But then, Feduccia has been a little sensitive on the subject since last year when he published his book, "The Origin and Evolution of Birds."

In the second chapter, he challenges the whole idea that birds evolved from dinosaurs, and it's this which has earned him boos and hisses from paleontologists all over.

The paper published in Nature reports the discovery of a 90 million-year-old flightless animal with long legs, a balancing tail and stunted forearms that could flap and be folded close to the body like wings.

In Wednesday news reports, the discoverer, Argentine scientist Fernando Novas, called the discovery "the most direct link yet between dinosaurs and birds."

Novas said the animal, which he has named unenlagia comahuensis, is not the ancestor of any modern bird, but a cousin that had the same dinosaur ancestors as birds.

Feduccia points out that the animal paleontologists acknowledge to be the first true bird -- not a dinosaur with stunted forearms, but an animal that could fly -- is archaeopteryx, which appeared on earth 150 million years ago.

The scientists who think that the latest animal is related to the ancestors of birds should do the math, Feduccia said. How could a dinosaur having only some bird-like features be in the same evolutionary chain as birds, when the first true bird appeared 60 million years earlier?

"This is a sure sign of convergent evolution, the occurrence of similar adaptations which don't mean they are related," Feduccia said.

Oregon State University professor John Ruben, a zoologist writing a book about dinosaur physiology, said the similarities between certain dinosaurs and birds can be explained by one fundamental skill: Running.

"They lived in similar ways and they could run, the birds and these dinosaurs," said Ruben, who until recently believed that birds evolved from dinosaurs. "They both became bipedal [two-legged]. But these are only superficial similarities."

The fundamental skill the dinosaurs and the first birds ought to share -- flying -- is physiologically impossible for the dinosaur, Feduccia said.

"The dinosaur body plan, like this animal [unenlagia], is one of a large earthbound creature with a heavy balancing tail and short forelimbs," he said. "To fly, you've got to have a small body size and descend from the trees."

On this point, ornithologists tend to agree with Feduccia's theories, he said. But paleontologists are more intractable.

Ruben plans to publish a paper in Science by the end of he summer that picks apart the Argentinian find on the point of lung structure. Simply put, the lung structure this animal had is more like that of a crocodile than a bird.

All such animals -- birds, dinosaurs, crocodiles, pterodactyls - are the descendants of one kind of animal, the basal archosaurs, according to Feduccia. Thus, birds and dinosaurs are as similar as birds and crocodiles.

Proving his point using the latest find will "require all the sophistication of a good high school science project," Ruben said.

For Feduccia, the disagreement is not just a collegial difference of opinion among scientists. There has been name-calling and a large movement to fight back against his theory, he said.

One of the main supporters of the dinosaur-to-bird theory, the American Museum of Natural History in New York, has a vested interest in seeing the debate go its way, Feduccia said. The museum just spent millions of dollars to renovate its dinosaur exhibit that argues for dinosaur-to-bird evolution.

"A lot of the attacks on Alan have turned very personal and nasty," Ruben said.

Feduccia and Ruben say the backlash stems from an affinity humans have for dinosaurs, and the desire to still have them around.

"It's a delusional fantasy, by which one can vicariously study dinosaurs at the backyard bird feeder," Feduccia said. "It's the result of sloppy science by naive investigators."

Ruben agreed. "There aren't very many paleontologists who have good biological training," he said. "They tend to jump to conclusions as long as they are attractive and exciting."

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V. Websites:

Creation, Dinosaurs and the Flood

Creation Studies Institute Double-click on "The Dino Page"

VI. Videos:

"Challenge of the Fossil Record - Evolution? The Fossils Say No!" by Duane Gish

"Dinosaurs: Those Terrible Lizards" by Duane Gish

"ORIGINS:How the World Came to Be"

"Jehovah's Park" by Australian paleontologist John Mackay. To order, contact:

"The Death of the Dinosaur" by Roger Oakland

"The Dinosaur Mystery Solved - Dinosaurs and their significance in the Bible" by John Morris

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"The Great Dinosaur Mystery" by Paul S.Taylor

"The Great Dinosaur Mystery" (special edition) is available on a free-loan basis to secular or public elementary schools, middle schools and high schools in the continental United States for showing to teachers and students during normal school hours.

THE GREAT DINOSAUR MYSTERY (Special edition)

Did dinosaurs actually become extinct millions of years before the existence of humans? This fascinating and well-illustrated production reveals new discoveries which seem to indicate that man and dinosaur once lived together. A thought-provoking film including a possible "plesiosaur" carcass netted near New Zealand, plus ancient drawings and legends of dinosaur-like creatures chronicled throughout history. Very popular in public schools. 20 minutes / Color / VHS/ Age level: Grade School-Adult ================================================================================

"What Really Happened to the Dinosaurs?" (children's video) by Ken Ham

VII. Live Chats

Universal Chat will be having live chats with the stars of The Lost World: Jurrasic Park each Thursday. On Thursday, May 22 Jeff Goldblum and Julianne Moore were the guests. Transcripts of live chats will be available.

VIII. Kits:

Dinosaurs: The Learning Kit Program

IX. Jurassic Radio News

On March 12, 1996 dino expert Robert T. Bakker debated creationist John R. Meyer (CRS Van Andel Research Center, Chino Valley, AZ) over West Palm Beach Florida radio station WJNO ;the host was Jack Cole. On the program, Meyer confronted Bakker concerning the systematic gaps in the fossil record, especially the dinosaur record. One of the evolutionists Meyer quoted was Dr. Alfred Romer. [On the program Bakker comments, "I studied with Al Romer. I was his last student while at Harvard."] Meyer referred to three evolutionary trees that he had before him (two for dinosaurs, one for the major vertebrate groups) that each showed "dotted lines" to represent hypothetical lineages that evolutionists say existed, but for which there is no data [intermediate fossils].

Crater linked to dinosaur demise?

Scientists believe they have found where a giant asteroid crashed into the earth and possibly caused the extinction of the dinosaurs. Alan Hildebrand, from the University of Arizona, says the impact most likely occurred on the sea floor north of Colombia and south of Jamaica, in the Caribbean Sea. The crater is about 300 kilometres across and 500 to 1,000 metres deep. The popular evolutionary idea of dinosaur demise is that an asteroid collision sent up a huge cloud of dust which temporarily blotted out the sun and reduced temperatures, thus killing off the dinosaurs.

The Courier-Mail, May 19, 1990 (p. 3):

Recently this common idea about dinosaur extinction has been challenged by Robert Bakker, from the University of Colorado, and others. Bakker says that if an asteroid hit the earth now, "it would send up a dust storm that would chill the earth. The dust would cause acid rain that would kill the frogs, turtles and fish right away. They are very sensitive to acid rain.

Big animals wouldn't be affected as much. So the theory of a meteorite hitting predicts just the wrong order."

X. Surprises in the "Jurassic Park" Sequel

As presented on the 05/21/97 broadcast of the LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN

10. Special appearance by Wilford Brimley as "Brimleysaurus Rex"

9. Instead of deadly venom, Velociraptor now spits delicious iced tea

8. Dinosaurs and humans settle their differences with a spirited game of Yahtzee

7. Steven Spielberg can often be seen in the background, counting huge stacks of money

6. Movie's big catch phrase: "Them dinosaurs is tasty!"

5. All the action takes place at a Dunkin' Donuts in Scranton

4. Scientists kill the dinosaurs simply by hiding all the "Dinosaur Chow"

3. Hilarious scene where Fred Flintstone uses one of the dinosaurs as a lawn mower

2. Lead Brontosaurus played by Janet Reno

1. All the dinosaurs speak perfect French

XI. In "Jurassic Park" Dr. Ian Malcolm (Jeff Goldblum) reflects:

God Creates Dinosaurs

God Destroys Dinosaurs

God Creates Man

Man Destroys God

Man Creates Dinosaurs

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Dinosaurs Eat Man

Woman Inherits the Earth

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In "Jehovah's Park":

God Creates Dinosaurs

God Creates Man

Man Falls

God Destroys Earth with Flood

God Sends Son to Save The Lost World

The Lost World Is Now Found

The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth

"For the Son of Man came to save what was lost." (Luke 19:10)

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